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Shooting at Mall in Kingston
While we're on this social - civil debate thing, one of my pet gripes is with these folks who make the claim that there's something sacred about the human life form and that humans are some how more entitled / deserving to an existence above all other life forms. Just think about this stupid claim for a while.
Things could be made very simple if folks would just honor the simple rule, "if it doesn't belong to you don't screw with it". That's what I was taught when I was a kid. If you do screw with it there's consequences!
The world population is about 7*10^9, the US is about 300*10^6, (if I remember correctly) --- I'm quite sure a drop in human population of several hundred million would make for better living conditions in general. Imagine a minimum of 10 acres between neighbors. There really are just too many rats in the cage. The crux of most social problems!
Having said all that, a full out gun battle in down town NY probably wouldn't be that big a deal. Wouldn’t be enough life lost to decrease the world population substantially.
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Yeah in light of everything that's happening in the world I think this is one of the more interesting topics of discussion.
No I don't advocate gunfights in down town NY, nor extermination of large masses of innocent people.
I also don't believe that weapons of any sort, in of themselves are harmful --- it's people that make them harmful. I.E. it’s the application of the weapon that matters.
Another fact, when you cram too many of any type of living creatures into too small a space you can certainly expect trouble. One of the by products of over crowding is intolerance. If you look at the majority of the inflamed social situations occurring through out the world and even here in the states, at the root will be folks unwilling to compromise their position.
Very sad state of affairs.
I live in a state where you can carry concealed. Live on acreage where we are fairly isolated but I know damn well walking around with my pea shooter ain't going to fix the big picture.
I guess I'm kind of a strange bird --- early fifties, fiscally conservative and the first time in my life I've voted for a Democrat. I too believe that this country has a value system problem, but I saw the solution differently than a lot of folks.
Don't like smoke screens and being lied to. Have looked up the word bigot many times, (type it into MS sometime). Believe that the individual has the right to make decisions about their own body. Don't have several millions of dollars to invest but would like to keep what I do have. Don't like the idea of seeing high tech jobs outsourced, (any jobs for that matter). And especially don't believe that thumping the bible and waving the flag is going to fix anything.
Did I mention that I'm fiscally conservative and that I've never voted democratic before?
Anyway the nation in general seems polarized on several fronts. In reading through this thread I kind of got a sense that it's probably representative of the same distribution of folks and ideas. In fact I’ve been lurking around this site for a couple of years and have been too cheap to pay my twenty bucks --- but this thread got the best of me … maybe it was the welding thread.
Just my $.02 worth, if it’s worth that much.
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Well Dean,
To be honest my vote was not so much for but against.
At heart I'm more of an independent but those damn guys can't ever get beyond the dope smoking.
In reality there really isn't a two party system any more. These guys all drink from the same well and as a result very little differentiation. Really isn't much of a choice.
Personally I liked your namesake the best,(of those offered). Really liked his primal scream, but the mainstream guys just can't tolerate anybody with any passion.
The shame of it all is that I’m for personal choice, minimal gov and fiscal discipline. The traditional stuff the Reps have always claimed to be about. But I’m really turned off by what I perceive as mixing of church and state. Also I can go into a long discussion about why I personally believe going over to Iraq was absolutely the wrong action to take. I just feel for all the young folks that are over there and hope some good will eventually come of it.
If we were really dead set on taking care of biz, focus on Afghanistan and Iran were the targets that made sense.
As you know we'd been bombing the shit out of Iraq for 12 damn years, and with satellites parked overhead do you really believe Sadam could have taken a piss without us knowing?
And the other thing who's paying for all this crap? It ain't the guys with the money --- they've got tax breaks.
Dave
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